Can't drop items on toolbar in Mojave

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bob.deskin

29 Sep, 2018 12:48 PM

After upgrading to Mojave, I can no longer drag and drop items onto the toolbar. I've tried with applications, folders, shortcuts, and text files.

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  1. Path Finder Support Team closed this discussion on 24 May, 2019 10:22 PM.

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  3. Support Staff 31 Posted by Path Finder Sup... on 24 May, 2019 10:23 PM

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    Hi All,

    A quick update on this issue:

    As far as we can tell since macOS Mojave Apple changed the behavior of the standard macOS UI component (NSToolbar) we use for toolbar in Path Finder. 
    There were no changes in Path Finder 7 or 8 regarding the toolbar behavior, but following this change in standard macOS components, "Accept dropped items" in Path Finder 7 and Path Finder 8 no longer works on macOS Mojave.
    Note that macOS High Sierra and earlier versions are not affected.

    Our developers are looking on a workaround that will bring back this functionality.

    Best Regards,
    Jordan 
    Path Finder Support Team

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  6. 32 Posted by David Teplow on 24 May, 2019 10:25 PM

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    Hi Jordan:

    Thanks so much for the good news. Please, please, please see if the developers can prioritize this fix.

    Regards,

    Dave 

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    From: Path Finder Support Team (Cocoatech Support)
    Subject: Can't drop items on toolbar in Mojave

    Hi All,

    A quick update on this issue:

    As far as we can tell since macOS Mojave Apple changed the behavior of the standard macOS UI component (NSToolbar) we use for toolbar in Path Finder. 
    There were no changes in Path Finder 7 or 8 regarding the toolbar behavior, but following this change "Accept dropped items" in Path Finder 7 and Path Finder 8 no longer works on macOS Mojave. Note that macOS High Sierra and earlier versions are not affected.

    Our developers are looking on a workaround that will bring back this functionality.

    Best Regards,
    Jordan 
    Path Finder Support Team

    View this discussion at our support site online: https://support.cocoatech.com/discussions/problems/116412-cant-drop-items-on-toolbar-in-mojave

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  7. 33 Posted by bob.deskin on 24 May, 2019 10:32 PM

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    Take a look at the workaround I used. Post #22. That may give you a hint as to what's happening or at least give you a technique you can use. I mean if you can add the terminal to the toolbar and rename it, you should be able to come up with a method to do that but hide the mechanics. However, I grant that the method is not a drag and drop.

  8. 34 Posted by dteplow on 24 May, 2019 10:34 PM

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    Hi Bob: Yes. I used the technique, and it worked, but it's a bit of a hassle, as you know, but thanks for your help!

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  11. 35 Posted by bob.deskin on 24 May, 2019 11:18 PM

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    Agreed, it is a hassle. I guess it depends how much you want to use version 8 over version 7 or something else. Or Mojave over High Sierra.

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  14. 36 Posted by loredo on 25 Oct, 2019 07:38 PM

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    PF Support, any progress on this since May? I see you re-opened the thread in June, but nothing was posted. I just updated to PF 8.6, but the toolbar issue persists.

    I had a bit of trouble implementing the workaround in bob.deskin's post #22, and thought I should share my experience in case it might help others.

    First, note that there may be multiple "TB Item Identifiers" entries in your preference plist file. As Bob noted, you want to adjust the one under the "NSToolbar Configuration PF6_browserToolbarController" key. That's the one that affects PF 8, even though it has "PF6" in the key name. I also have TB item identifiers under the key "NSToolbar Configuration NTBrowserToolbarController." They appear to be for an old PF version (they don't change when I change the toolbar in PF8). Perhaps they're kept so that users can use multiple versions via the same prefs file.

    Second, I found that changes to the entry do not show up in the toolbar on my next launch of PF. I have to launch, quit, and then launch again. This wasn't a one-time quirk for me; I made a few changes, and this behavior was 100% repeatable. Strange.

    Finally, what led me to do this is that I had an AppleScript (compiled to an app) in my toolbar that stopped working after upgrading to Mojave, due to lacking permissions. Nothing I tried in the Security->Privacy system prefs pane could get my previous script to work, and re-saving the script also didn't help. What worked was taking the script text and saving it as an entirely new script (as an app). Only after doing that and launching the newly-created script did Mojave provide the dialogs & prompts that would let me grant the script and apps sufficient permission to interact. So much for Apple's "it just works" ethic....

    Thanks, Bob Deskin, for the workaround.

  15. 37 Posted by bob.deskin on 25 Oct, 2019 08:56 PM

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    You're welcome, although I wish it wasn't necessary. Seems to me that if there's a workaround, then there should be a fix.

    I too have noticed "interesting behavior" with Mojave and security. It seems to get tighter and quirkier each release. I have not moved to Catalina as yet and probably not for a while.

  16. 38 Posted by dteplow on 25 Oct, 2019 09:23 PM

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    Thanks to bob and klentz for their help. Their fix works as advertized (you need to quit and restart PF8.6 twice). To make it easier for newbies and others to know where to put new keys in the Cocoatech pref file, I have copied that section below. You will see two new entries at the bottom of the TB Item Identifiers array. It is cumbersome to have to quit PF, edit its pref file, and then start it twice, but...IT WORKS.

    </dict>
    <key>NSToolbar Configuration PF6_browserToolbarController</key>
    <dict>
    <key>TB Default Item Identifiers</key>
    <array>
    <string>Back</string>
    <string>NSToolbarFlexibleSpaceItem</string>
    <string>View</string>
    <string>Views</string>
    <string>Quick Look</string>
    <string>NSToolbarFlexibleSpaceItem</string>
    <string>Arrange</string>
    <string>Size Browser</string>
    <string>NSToolbarFlexibleSpaceItem</string>
    <string>Show Invisibles</string>
    <string>NSToolbarFlexibleSpaceItem</string>
    <string>Search</string>
    <string>Progress</string>
    </array>
    <key>TB Display Mode</key>
    <integer>1</integer>
    <key>TB Icon Size Mode</key>
    <integer>1</integer>
    <key>TB Is Shown</key>
    <integer>1</integer>
    <key>TB Item Identifiers</key>
    <array>
    <string>Finder</string>
    <string>Terminal</string>
    <string>Touch</string>
    <string>View</string>
    <string>Views</string>
    <string>Quick Look</string>
    <string>Applications</string>
    <string>Arrange</string>
    <string>Show Invisibles</string>
    <string>Path</string>
    <string>Size Browser</string>
    <string>Back</string>
    <string>Search</string>
    <string>Progress</string>
    <string>Eject</string>
    <string>Secure Delete…</string>
    <string>/Users/davidteplow/Dropbox/Coffee with Scientists</string>
    <string>/Users/davidteplow/Dropbox/Teaching/FiatLux2019</string>
    </array>
    <key>TB Size Mode</key>
    <integer>1</integer>
    </dict>

  17. 39 Posted by bob.deskin on 01 Nov, 2019 06:34 PM

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    Well, PF9 is out and we still can't drag and drop items to the toolbar. If you right-click on the toolbar, Accepts Dropped Items is still there, under Customize. I guess I don't know what that means.

    That said, luckily I haven't had serious issues with 9 so far except that it lost my toolbar settings. Just that I had hoped the PF8 issues would have been fixed first. I think the original explanation we got for drag and drop was something about macOS security or new restrictions. But if we have what we consider a workaround, certainly Cocoatech could implement that transparently.

  18. 40 Posted by dteplow on 01 Nov, 2019 09:47 PM

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    Just updated to 9.0.1. All of my prior TB Item Identifiers (toolbar folders/files) showed up nicely. My 8.6 prefs also were remembered. FYI.

  19. 41 Posted by bob.deskin on 01 Nov, 2019 10:02 PM

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    Interesting. Now that I know that I can recover my settings by copying from a backup, I may give it a try. Or maybe wait until 9.1.

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  22. Support Staff 42 Posted by Path Finder Sup... on 14 Nov, 2019 09:21 AM

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    Hi everyone,

    As I've already mentioned, macOS Mojave and later brought changes to the behavior of UI components we use to make this possible. Having the items in the toolbar is still possible, back accepting drops stopped being an option.

    We have spent a considerable amount of time investigating this and our options to bring the drag and drop back. We've even looked into private API available for Finder's drop. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to be achievable with reasonable means, and potential solutions we did found may stop working on the next macOS update.

    With that in mind, we've decided to change our approach a little. In the next Path Finder 9 update we will re-introduce the option to add custom icons to Path Finder's toolbar on Mojave and up, by using a different interface. This interface will replace dropping items to the Toolbar, unless (until) we find a way to return dropping. However, the important bit - your custom items on the toolbar - will be back :)

    Please feel free to write us back and we will be happy to assist you.

    Best Regards,
    Jordan 
    Path Finder Support Team

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  25. 43 Posted by dteplow on 14 Nov, 2019 02:04 PM

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    Hooray!

    Thanks Jordan. Happy to test betas on this release.

    Regards,

    Dave

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    On November 14, 2019 at 1:21:15 AM, Path Finder Support Team ([email blocked]<mailto:[email blocked]>) wrote:

    From: Path Finder Support Team (Cocoatech Support)
    Subject: Can't drop items on toolbar in Mojave

    Hi **everyone**,

    As I've already mentioned, macOS Mojave and later brought changes to the behavior of UI components we use to make this possible. Having the items in the toolbar is still possible, back accepting drops stopped being an option.

    We have spent a considerable amount of time investigating this and our options to bring the drag and drop back. We've even looked into private API available for Finder's drop. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to be achievable with reasonable means, and potential solutions we did found may stop working on the next macOS update.

    With that in mind, we've decided to change our approach a little. In the next Path Finder 9 update we will re-introduce the option to add custom icons to Path Finder's toolbar on Mojave and up, by using a different interface. This interface will replace dropping items to the Toolbar, unless (until) we find a way to return dropping. However, the important bit - **your custom items on the toolbar** - will be back :)

    Please feel free to write us back and we will be happy to assist you.

    Best Regards,
    Jordan
    Path Finder Support Team

    View this discussion at our support site online: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__support.cocoatech.com_discussions_problems_116412-2Dcant-2Ddrop-2Ditems-2Don-2Dtoolbar-2Din-2Dmojave&d=DwIFaQ&c=UXmaowRpu5bLSLEQRunJ2z-YIUZuUoa9Rw_x449Hd_Y&r=pmcffdqVq0AqOX0DcS982YhU2Q5IVpDFzYjWuVJsMm4&m=m-rOxpHvAnN_9H5GImQ77Kit4uftImOzjGFpOXOf1wA&s=MdSCpvg346l87HdcwgJSVsb2l7osYjlM5_-p_wPXWIc&e=

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  26. Support Staff 44 Posted by Path Finder Sup... on 14 Nov, 2019 02:26 PM

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    Hi Dave,

    9.0.4 will be a minor update and expected to be released normally on autoupdater.

    Please feel free to write us back and we will be happy to assist you.

    Best Regards,
    Jordan 
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  29. Support Staff 45 Posted by Path Finder Sup... on 20 Nov, 2019 03:02 PM

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    Hi Everyone,

    Path Finder 9.0.4 is out and now you may add new items via "Add Custom Items..." prompt. Feel free to check it out!

    Best Regards,
    Jordan
    Path Finder Support Team

  30. 46 Posted by bob.deskin on 20 Nov, 2019 03:24 PM

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    Just downloaded and tried it. Seems to work fine. As for the mechanism, if this had been the way to do it since day 1, I don't think anyone would have complained. We got spoiled with drag and drop and then Apple took it away.

    Oh yes, when I installed over top of the old version, it kept all of my settings.

    Good job guys. Let's look forward.

  31. 47 Posted by dteplow on 20 Nov, 2019 05:49 PM

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    Hooray! Good job, Jordan. (Finally!)

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  34. Support Staff 48 Posted by Path Finder Sup... on 21 Nov, 2019 12:02 AM

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    Hi,

    All credits should go to our developers, not me :)

    Best Regards,
    Jordan 
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